People Don’t Talk Enough About How Awful The Hornets Are

At this point, we are well aware of how incompetent the Hornets franchise has been and this off-season looks like it may be the proverbial cherry on top. With that being said, a guy on reddit who goes by the username of u/rmarti78 may have somehow single-handily complied the most tremendous list of their screwups. 99% of this list was made by him with only 1 or 2 minor edits from us. Oh, and yes…he gave us permission to post it. So without further ado, find yourself a quiet space where no one can see you cry and read away.

  • One of only 6 teams in the NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL that’s never even made a conference finals. They’re the second oldest of those 6 teams behind the Clippers.

  • They’ve only drafted 4 All-Stars that went on to play for them despite being around since 1988: Alonzo Mourning, Larry Johnson, Baron Davis, and Kemba Walker. And they’ve had the most chances to draft All-Stars too: the Hornets rank #1 with the lowest average draft spot in that time.

  • Then-coach Steve Clifford wanted the Hornets to draft Donovan Mitchell in 2017, but Rich Cho overruled him and drafted Malik Monk instead.

  • The Hornets were seriously looking to draft Pascal Siakam in 2016, but decided to trade their pick for Marco Belinelli who spent one year with the team before being traded to Atlanta in the Dwight Howard trade.

  • The Hornets were offered three first-round picks by the Celtics for the #9 pick in 2015. Michael Jordan turned the offer down to pick Frank Kaminsky. Kaminsky was always in the coach’s doghouse here, his family hated Charlotte, and Kaminsky signed with Phoenix this offseason.

  • After having the worst record in NBA history in 2012, the Bobcats lost out on the #1 pick which was going to be Anthony Davis. They then selected Michael Kidd-Gilchrist with the #2 pick instead of Bradley Beal. In the same draft, they selected Jeffery Taylor with their 2nd round pick, just ahead of Draymond Green and Khris Middleton. They also reportedly turned down a trade for James Harden for that #2 overall pick.

  • They did select Kemba Walker in 2011, but they also gave Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, and the pick that would turn into Tobias Harris so they could jump up and draft Bismack Biyombo. They selected Biyombo instead of the player that had been mocked to them in several mock drafts: Kawhi Leonard. They also had Klay Thompson on the board.

  • The second best draft pick they’ve had since their 2004 rebirth has been Emeka Okafor.

  • They haven’t won a playoff series since April 2002 when LeBron was in high school, Zion was 1 year old, The Scorpion King was #1 at the box office, Ashanti had the #1 song in America, and Hollywood Hogan was WWE Champion. The closest they’ve come to winning a series since then was the Purple Shirt Guy game when they were up 3-2 vs. the Heat and had cut a 9 point Heat lead to 2 with 1:30 left. A Hornets fan known as Purple Shirt Guy started inexplicably jawing with Dwyane Wade who proceeded to drop a quick 5 points to tie the series up. The Hornets would go on to lose Game 7 in Miami by 27 points.

  • Despite letting their best player ever walk for nothing, they’re hard-capped at the moment. They’ll be hard-capped this season with a starting 5 of Terry Rozier, Cody Zeller, Nic Batum, Dwayne Bacon, and Miles Bridges. Bismack Biyombo will be making $17 million off the bench, Marvin Williams will be making $15 million off the bench, and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist will be making $13 million off the bench. Nic Batum (who has turned into a completely worthless player) will be entering the 4th year of a 5 year deal (final year a player option) that will pay him $25.5 million. He’ll almost certainly use that player option in 2020 and will be making $27.1 million.

  • Michael Jordan hasn’t given an interview where he’s discussed the Hornets in any detail (besides Kemba Walker) since 2014.

So as you bitch and complain about how your team hasn’t done anything in a long time or how you only have one All-Star and you’re disappointed you didn’t get another, remember that things could always be worse.

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Charlotte’s Stockholm Syndrome

Stockholm syndrome is a condition which causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors as a survival strategy during captivity. These alliances result from a bond formed between captor and captives during intimate time together, but they are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims. 

Local media, national media, everyone is literally telling us how bad the Hornets have done these past couple of years and more specifically these last couple of months. We know this. They have told us we have every right to be pissed. We also know this.

They may have arrived late to the party on discussing it but well, let’s be honest, we aren’t exactly relevant… until we screw up.

We lost Kemba. But it’s not just that. We lost him because we seemingly didn’t have a plan. we lowballed the offer. In December you should’ve known the ballpark of what Kemba wanted and if you knew it was too high THEN YOU SHOULD’VE TRADED HIM. You knew he’d reject that number… So why didn’t you trade him? The all-star game? That’s the rumor and if that’s the case, you are stupid. Beyond stupid. One of the stupidest to ever operate a professional sports team. Did you think he’d take the 160? If so then you didn’t know your team and couldn’t even figure out the wants and needs of the best player you’ve had in 20 years who works under your roof. If that’s the case, you’re ignorant. There’s only two possibilities here. You are either ignorant or stupid…

Then you over pay a guy when most of the fanbase just assumes our strategy was to suck for a couple years and get the young guys some burn. He’s a solid player but it just comes across as not knowing whether or not you want to shit or get off the pot

it doesn’t help that when Mitch speaks on the topic he can’t even properly get a message across that explains his reasoning for not trading Kemba or claiming that Rozier is a “lottery pick”… whatever that means. He says things like “I’m not sure we could’ve done better a year ago” when discussing the Kemba situation. Leaving fans speculating that he didn’t try. We won’t even dive into the other quotes of him defending himself from criticism over the signing that left fans scratching their heads more than trying to figure out where the airports were during the revolutionary war.

And yes where the hell is MJ? We just lost our best player of all-time and he is nowhere to be seen. Wasn’t in Charlotte when Kemba cleared his locker, wasn’t even in the US when conversations were going on and sends us a message likely typed by his assistant that literally said nothing……….nothing actually would’ve been better.

This isn’t an article about why MJ is one of the worst owners in the league. This isn’t about how he is the constant between bad management moves from Cho to Mitch and before them. Because there really isn’t an argument that he is a good owner. We can discuss Frank to Vonleh to Dwight to this Kemba situation etc. why he’s bad and if your argument is that “we have a team” (we got two teams before he came on the scene) for him being a good owner then that’s pretty sad. I mean all he did was green light the rebrand that fans forced down his throat and took the organization kicking and screaming to the purple and teal finish line.

This is more of a discussion that FANS DESERVE TO BE ANGRY.


Here’s what leads me to the meat of all this.

While a lot of fans are expressing their anger there are still fans defending this organizations every move. No matter how dumb it looks and no matter how many mistakes we’ve watched there are those that dismiss the litany of faults as whining and complaining.

Despite losing your best player of all-time, despite being the only team in the east to have never made the Finals, despite being one of 3 teams to never make conference finals, despite not making it past the second round, despite it taking 14 seasons to win a playoff game we should just be happy we have a team…

They defended Batum for years, ignored the writing on the wall and called him a “glue guy”. They defended Kaminsky’s play and dedication to Charlotte until Kaminsky left the damn building.

They wipe Jordan of any guilt because the team makes money and they say there is no proof even though every credible source in the NBA from Woj to Lowe source him as being a major root of the disfunction. if you remember, the fans handed him the olive branch of the rebrand and gave his team a second chance.

They dismiss all listing of problems and the overwhelming issues as people complaining and I’m here to say that the fans owe this team no benefit of the doubt until they have proven and earned the fans trust. Until they compete this fanbase has every right to second guess and scrutinize every decision because if you are keeping count at home they are wrong WAYYYYY more often than they are right.

We watched what this organization did the last time the fans were apathetic and didn’t hold them accountable and I’m guessing many of these people weren’t fans yet so they don’t understand the value of holding the team’s feet to the fire.

For some reason they view fans being critical as them being disloyal and I’m here to tell you that I’d rather have a fanbase passionate enough and that care enough to complain than one that suffers from Stockholm Syndrome of this organizations tactics and sympathizes with “how hard it is to manage a team” and rationalizes this mediocrity with a “let’s just wait to see” how it plays out this time so we can discuss another bad decision in hindsight.

I want that building to be afraid of how fans will react. Not a building that measures their success on whether or not Jordan makes his money.

Hornets must Focus on Future

Unless you have been living under a rock for the last week, you are well aware of the twists and turns the Hornets fan base has dealt with during the Free Agency Frenzy in the NBA. The team lost it’s leader on and off the court to that team and fan base that wears green and says thinks like “Wicked Awesome” and “Chowdah” much to the dismay of this writer and a large portion of Hornets fans, but Dammit I’m all cried out (wonder what the dudes in 112 are up to?) and like we have become used to around these parts since the team returned its time to open the curtains, draw in a deep breath and get ready for what fresh hell this team is going to put us through next.

OH GOODY, ANOTHER REBUILD

  The Hornets found their replacement for Kemba in the form of Terry Rozier as part of the Sign-and-trade and agreed to a robust 3 year 58 million dollar contract. This is an absolute overpay for the youngish point guard who had a solid run in the playoffs 2 years ago in Kyrie Irving’s absence. A scoring points guard who has shown some flashes as a player in his 4 years in Boston, his game has some holes that hopefully he can improve on as the every night starter in Buzz City. The Hornets front office likely felt like they had to strike on Rozier due to lack of cap space even with Kemba leaving. This gives the Hornets someone to team-up with the current crop of young player to begin the process of rebuilding around a young core while the overpaid veterans slowly leave this team by trade or contracts expiring. Its a Re-birth if you will, the beginning of a new era in Hornets basketball history. The problem is there are some guidelines the Hornets front office needs to follow as we move forward, and that scares the crap out of many of us.

 

PLAY THE DAMN KIDS 

  This should be the easy part, but we will see. We all know what the veterans on this team brings, that is why we are in this mess to begin with. So they need to find out what Bacon, Bridges, Monk, Graham, Willy and Washington can do now and what they can become over an 82 game season. There is no reason for these guys not to be playing lots of minutes this season, and as a fan no one wants to watch Batum play 28 minutes and take 2 shots or watch Biz fumble the ball out of bounds twice a game. Give us something to look forward to. It cannot be about wins this season, (That hurts my heart to say that) it has to be about development and knowing exactly what we have going forward. Can Monk be a consistent scorer in the NBA? Can Bacon be an effective starting shooting guard on a nightly basis? Is Bridges a small forward or a power forward and is his 3-point shot going to be reliable. These are the kinds of things we need to know as the 19-20 season comes to a close.

ASSETS, ASSETS, ASSETS 

  This is where my heart starts pounding and my hands get sweaty. The Hornets front office must use the Expiring contracts of Marvin, MKG and Biz to their advantage to accumulate as many picks or young players as they can to help rebuild the roster. Guys like Marvin and MKG will likely have value to teams who are contending or hope to contend. Turning them into late first rounders or multiple seconds while also being able to take on longer contracts is key for the team. General Managers feel pressure leading up to and at the deadline to make moves to help push their team over the top. The Hornets need to take full advantage of those opportunities. I don’t think any playoff teams will feverishly chasing Biz and his 17 million dollar contract for help on the court, however, teams that are either over the tax line next year or who need to free up space to sign their own free agents or bolster their roster will be looking for guys on expiring deals. The Hornets are in a great position there as well because they can take on someone on a 2 year deal or longer due to having cap space open in the future as well. How the front office handles these deals will go along way to jump starting this rebuild and giving the team the ability to return to respectability in a Brooklyn Nets time frame, not a Phoenix Suns time frame.

 

Fan Writes Letter to Hornets on Why He’s Cancelling His Season Tickets

We were just CC’d in an email a LONG TIME Hornets season ticket holder just sent the team.

We believe it’s imperative that local and national media take a good long hard look at this email when forming their narrative of the Hornets fanbase.


Dear #%^*{

I hope things are going well for you guys and you’ve had some time to enjoy your summer.

 

I know you read my previous email but I wanted to just get a few things off my chest, knowing that a couple of these emails may circulate themselves through the ranks of Managers and potentially beyond. I hope it is seen, I certainly don’t need a reply about how “Kemba Walker…blah blah blah” it’s not about that.

 

Basketball is business, player moves are business, and it’s not all about who fans like or gravitate towards when player personnel moves are made. The Kemba Walker decision is the same, and I don’t agree with our approach, I’ve disagreed before knowing the previously stated but I get it. Just like my job, we like players that we pass on, we don’t spend money on certain guys that we probably should and they walk away and you must be confident in doing better with the next guy. That’s exactly where I’m at with this team, I’m ready to walk.  Ready to walk away from season tickets, for the first time in my life. I’m paying $4,000 a year for what has been losing basketball since my seats increased by 20% in 2016. They went up $800 in a single off season.Since then, they’ve not made the playoffs and not been above .500 and won on average 20 games per year at the Hive.

 

Since 1988, my father and I have had season tickets, the older I got the more of paying stake I’ve had in it. I currently live in the Triad, and my father in the mountains. We both drove from mountains to Charlotte from 1988-2001. Since the Hornets returned in 2014 we both drove from our homes in the Triad/Mountains, 150 round trip for us both. The truth is, when I look at the numbers below, it’s not worth it.  I don’t feel appreciated at all by the team after my tickets were raised 20% in 2016. Why should I continue this? What hope should I have with this team? Because you gave me a starter jacket, $20 worth of buzz bucks (that didn’t cover a large popcorn & drink), and named a 30th Anniversary Team of Players that are more synonymous with other teams and have their jerseys hanging in their arenas already… Why should I do this:

 

·         My father and/or I have driven 86,250 miles to Hornets games, which would be nearly $50,000 of vehicle depreciation at $.55 a mile.

·         We’ve paid $5,750 in parking alone over the years.

·         I’ll lose by $2,000 already paid for next season. I know you’ll love keeping that and then charging the next poor bastard $6,000 for my $4,000 seats that are probably only worth $3,000.

·         I spend twice as much in the fan shop than my wife thinks I already do. Every time a friend has a baby, the baby gets a Hornets onesie… they still will.

·         I spent $1000 to watch the All-Star game. NOTHING to say thank you. Because you didn’t feel like you needed to, that’s because you knew someone would buy it.

·         We’ve not even spoke about the ticket costs… that’s another $50,000.

 

We could go on and on and on about these numbers. The love I have for the team trumps it all, it was all worth it. I have pictures as a 3-year-old in a Rex Chapman Jersey, employees at the old coliseum would give me Christmas cards and I would return. Own George Shinn once handed me a Christmas Card with a $100 bill in it when I was 10 years old. I’ll never forget the playoff game vs Boston; I’ll never forget sweeping Miami. But this has become a business decision for me. I spend nearly $100 every time I come to a game in Charlotte on top of $90 worth of tickets that I cannot sell on the secondary market for what is the required ticket price on Ticketmaster’s site. It happened most of this year. I’m taking the gamble and I’m going to assume I can sit CLOSER for LESS over the next 2-3 seasons using the secondary market, like others have done to me for the past 2-3 years.

 

I already know Charlotte is “One of the Best 5 Bargains in the NBA”. Well it should be, we have a bottom 5 team and no longer have an all-star that makes the product worth it paying for on a nightly basis. Charlotte is growing and I’m sure business for you guys will still boom. Plenty of socialites will want somewhere to bring their tinder dates. The growth of the city is hiding the truth from the team and driving a stake between the true fans. The ones that wear their jerseys and hats, not the ones that come in mid-way through the second quarter and leave when they feel they can beat traffic.

 

I’ll always be a Hornets fan. The players are completely separate from this. I’m as loyal as I was when they broke my heart and moved to New Orleans. Standing by the tunnel as Jason Kidd & the next beat us. Waiting in the parking lot watching the last of the players leave, seeing David Wesley’s escalade pulling out onto Tyvola. You see when the team moved, and returned as the Hornets in 2014 it was just a band aid to save the NBA’s worst franchise. That’s not your fault now but it’s still your problem to figure out. The name change was incredible; but no longer enough. I’m nostalgic, not stupid. I’m doing this while a family friend was drafted by you guys! 

 

I’ll buy tickets to 8-12 games, probably only 8 for the next few years but I’ll be there for the Celtics game because Kemba Walker deserves my money. He deserves my time and deserves to know how much he should feel appreciated. I know how he feels because you’ve made me feel the same way.

 

You see, the Hornets don’t appreciate me and they haven’t for a while. They know they can get some other guy, and he’ll pay more than I did. You’ll come out “on top” and have another plastic fan with a tinder date in my spot. To come to think of it… I feel like Kemba.

42 Pictures That I Feel Best Sum Up Charlotte’s NBA Story

Designer Alexander Julian and Kelly Tripucka show off the original Hornets uni in 1988.

New scoreboard at new Charlotte Coliseum after falling to the floor in a 1988 photo taken by Jeep Hunter

Opening Night 11/9/88 Starting lineups were announced

The cover of the Charlotte Hornets 1989-90 Media Guide, A picture of the attendance championship banner for the 88-89 season.

THROWBACK: 1991 NBA All Star Weekend in Charlotte

Everybody in the NBA world, from MJ to Magic, came to Charlotte for the 1991 NBA All-Star Weekend

NEW YORK, NY - 1991: Rookie Larry Johnson #2 of the Charlotte Hornets holds up a Hornets jacket during the 1991 NBA Draft at Madison Square Garden in New York, New York.(NBAE Getty Images)

Hornets Draft LJ 1991

PORTLAND, OR - JUNE 24: Alonzo Mourning shakes hands with NBA Commissioner David Stern after being selected number two overall by the Charlotte Hornets during the 1992 NBA Draft on June 24, 1992(NBAE Getty Images)

Hornets Draft Zo 1992

 

Larry Johnson 1992 Slam Dunk Contest

 

CHARLOTTE, NC - 1993: (L-R) Larry Johnson #2, Muggsy Bogues #1 and Alonzo Mourning #33 of the Charlotte Hornets take a break during an NBA game circa 1993 at The Charlotte Coliseum in Charlotte, North Carolina.(NBAE Getty Images)

LJ, Muggsy and Mourning (The Big 3) 1993

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Alonzo Mourning Scores 33 Points vs Celtics (1993 R1 G4) + Game Winner

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Charlotte Hornets stars Muggsy Bogues, from left, Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning, a mural was painted of them on an uptown wall in 1995   

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Vlade Divac and Anthony Mason lean on a fence during a 1996 SI

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Glen Rice 1997 MVP NBA All-Star Game

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Ric Flair before a game against the Supersonics in 1998

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Master P’s short stint on the Hornets in 1999

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Hornets Draft Baron Davis 1999

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Bobby Phills jersey is retired

Edlen Campbell, Eddie Jones and Anthony Mason Rd. 1 Playoffs in 2000

 

Hugo brings out a Buck Head on a plaque at halftime of a game during the Bucks v Hornets playoff series 2001

 

Charlotte fans in 2002.

 

Hugo, shown here in 2002

 

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David Stern (red tie) poses for a picture with BET founder Robert Johnson (M), Charlotte mayor Pat McCrory, and young children during a street party for the unveiling of the Charlotte Bobcats expansion NBA team on June 11, 2003

 

Charlotte’s Time Warner Cable Arena marks the 10th anniversary of its grand opening, a sold-out concert by the Rolling Stones that took place on October 21, 2005. Check out the pics of the Arena's timeline leading up to its opening night.(TimeWarnerCableArena.com)

July 2003 ground breaking of Time Warner Cable Arena

 

Bobcats Jersey : News Photo

Gerald Wallace 2004

 

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Emeka Okafor was named the 2004-05 NBA got milk? Rookie of the Year

 

Charlotte’s Time Warner Cable Arena marks the 10th anniversary of its grand opening, a sold-out concert by the Rolling Stones that took place on October 21, 2005. Check out the pics of the Arena's timeline leading up to its opening night.(TimeWarnerCableArena.com)

Rolling Stone Concert. first event in Time Warner Cable Arena 2005

 

president Fred Whitfield, majority owner Bob Johnson, managing partner Michael Jordan and executive vice president Bernie Bickerstaff (left-right) pose for a photo with the new head coach for the Bobcats Sam Vincent (center) at the Charlotte Bobcats arena on Friday, May 25, 2007

 

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Charlotte Coliseum demolition in June 2007

 

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Michael brings on Larry Brown 2008

 

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Jordan becomes majority owner 2010

 

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Bobcats make playoffs. Get Swept by Magic 2010

 

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Fans begin campaign to get Hornets name back to Charlotte

 

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Kemba picked No. 9 2011

 

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The Bobcats win 7 games in 2011-12 season

 

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New Orleans Hornets get #1 Draft pick, Bobcats get 2nd 2012

 

Jordan announced in May 2013 that the team had filed an application to the NBA to change its name to the Charlotte Hornets, beginning in the 2014-15 season.

 

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Bobcats get swept by Miami in Playoffs (RD 1) 2013-14 season

 

MAY 20, 2014 – After 12 years, the Charlotte Hornets name has officially returned to the Charlotte

 

Kemba Walker hits 3-pointer to force overtime and OT game-winner to push Hornets past Bucks in first return of the Hornets name. 2014

 

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Hornets win their first playoff game in 14 years but lose the series 4-3 to the Miami Heat in 2015-16 season

 

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Kemba Walker passed Dell Curry at the top of the Hornets’ all-time scoring list. 2018

 

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Kemba Walker becomes 3 time all-star as Charlotte hosts the 2019 NBA-All-Star week

Keep Kemba

So these tweets came out today and the Hornets social media world flipped the F$&@ out

All this means is that Kemba can be offered more money by the Hornets and was eligible for the super max. In reality this makes it easier for the Hornets to come up with an attractive deal for Kemba that nobody can match because of bird rights. Basically we can offer him wayyyyyy more money than other teams

In my opinion OF COURSE you offer the max to Kemba but the big question is IF you have the money.

The hardest part about this is making the moves to have that money for Kemba not the convincing Kemba to stay part.

I’m not really that worried about Kemba wanting to stay as long as we have the money and at least make it seem we are at least attempting to win now.

I’m gonna keep it real with you. If you ask me would I rather see Kemba leave and win a title or would I rather see him stay and win a series… you’re damn right I’m picking watching him as a Hornet win even just a series. #Sports #Fan

At the end of the day I’m a Hornets fan. He can make more money here than anywhere else and he’d rather win here more than anywhere else. Show him the money and show him a plan.

You can win with Kemba and eventually you’re gonna have to pay someone if you want to compete. Especially in this market. This isn’t a Kemba problem as much as we have never put anything around him. So pay him if you’re ready to actually put talent around him and compete.

It’s only a waste if you give him no help. We could have any superstar in the league and it would be “a lot of money to spend to get the 12th pick” if you never put someone there to assist them.

So it’s not a question of if he’s worth it. Its if we do something to help him.

Now you have many people saying “set him free?”… why would i want to do that? We’ve had 2 teams in the finals for damn near the past 5 years, he’s more likely to have team built around him here then he is to make it to a finals somewhere else. I love him but i can’t really see you being that big of a fan if you’re saying “set him free”

All y’all asking for Kemba to leave for some noble reasoning gonna be sitting next to us at games for the next 5 years as we suck?

Cus it’s pretty easy to say he should leave when you won’t actually be the ones suffering through it and you can just tune back in the next time we get an All-Star or make the playoffs.

The future will be rough either way. I’d just much rather watch it with Kemba in a Hornets Jersey. The greatest Hornet of all time.

Did You Know: Why the Hornets Gave Robert Parish a Grandfather Clock

After 20 years in the league, at the age of 42 “the Chief” (given the nickname by former Boston teammate Cedric Maxwell, who said Parish reminded him of Chief Bromden in the movie, “One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest.”) Robert Parish was gifted a grandfather clock from the Hornets organization At halftime after breaking Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s NBA record for career games played after taking the court against the Bulls for his 1,560th game! He had stood the test time.

The Chief was brought in to assist Mourning in his development but Mourning was later traded. The Chief was in Charlotte from 1994-6. Even though it was short-lived he is beloved by Hornets fans to this day.